Marvin and Male Authority

In which Marvin and Rosa Muñoz discuss the next steps out of lesbianism for Soon. Marvin also speaks to his pastor to make a formal complaint about Brother Samuel Johnson’s “reign of terror” which somehow gets Marvin to reflect upon the prisioner abuse scandal in Iraq.

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  1. Bob Painter on April 6, 2006 at 9:44 pm

    Poor Marvin…I suppose I felt as connected to him today as ever. I too have an issue with submitting to those in authority over me. It’s biblical, but I have major trust issues–not just with those over me, but all people.

    Oh, I love people and would do many things for those I love and don’t love, but trusting the intentions of others I find very difficult. I am suspect of others’ motives because I AM SUSPECT OF MY OWN MOTIVES at any given time.

    Wow, I didn’t expect this to create such a stirring in my soul. I really dislike my superiors, and I always have. I suppose I haven’t found anyone trustworthy yet to offer my confidence to…

    I feel very confused. While I’ve worked out many of my issues over the years, Marvin has succeeded in bringing up one issue that I may never work through this side of Glory.

    Thanks, Marvin… :{

  2. Jonathan on April 6, 2006 at 10:06 pm

    No you didn’t?! HAHAHA…”sometimes bad apples fall from bad trees” indeed! You tell ’em Marvin!


  3. Contemplative Activist on April 6, 2006 at 10:18 pm

    Marvin – have you ever heard of Stanley Milgram’s obedience experiment:

  4. Peterson Toscano on April 7, 2006 at 2:10 am

    Bob, thank you so much for sharing of yourself here.

    You always write well (when are you starting a blog???? 🙂

    CA, I’ll make sure that Marvin gets a print out of that wikipedia page. Thanks!

  5. Joe G. on April 7, 2006 at 3:17 am

    I love the way you started this post – rebuking Satan and all. I swear, a lot of days would have gone better if I had done that first thing in the morning.

    “Lesbians and normal women” – I’ll have to tell my pal T. about that one.

  6. Willie Hewes on April 7, 2006 at 8:25 am

    Submission to authority is always a sticky subject. The problem is, even if you subject to someone else’s will, you’re never free of your own concience.

    It can be attractive to simply submit, not have to think, not have to choose what to do but it’s never really true. Even if forced at gunpoint to do something, you have a choice. Not a very attractive one, but a choice none the less.

    I think it’s extremely important that people question authority where it’s appropriate. You can’t just pick someone, submit to them, and switch your brain off.

    You were given the knowledge of good and evil, not to pass it up and let someone else be your concience, but so that you could do what’s right, yourself.

    You are first of all, and always, responsible for your own actions. And if there is going to be a great judgement at the end, I don’t think the argument “but my pastor told me to” is going to cut much wood with the great Judge.

    Dang, gone all philosophical. Well, as you may have guessed, I’m not all that good at submitting to authority either. I believe that’s a good thing though. I submit only if I choose to. It means I’m awkward, but it also means I can face the mirror (or the Judge) without apology.

  7. Bob Painter on April 7, 2006 at 6:01 pm

    Willie, I like what you have to say. I have a thought I’d like to pass your way: let me know what you think.

    At a local seminary here, a group of pastors was discussing the final Judgment. As the professor, shared some guilt-and-shame approach (such as, “You’d better make sure you do thus and such or God’s gonna git you for that!”), an older African -American pastor stood to his feet and said, “Professor, I don’t rightly know who you have representing you in that Court, but my Lawyer has promised to intercede on my behalf with the following comment to each accusation: ‘That debt has already been paid.'”

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